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tophat Avengers
Since: Apr-2017
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I went to see reviews on yelp and a lot of stories of customers back experience at CH especially on busy nights. Any common things costumers are unaware of when buying a lap dance, private show, offering tips, or dealing with.


If a dancer intentionally stalls in the middle of a private show, lap dance, etc, what to do next or know how to read the floor (especially for people who hadn't visit the place before).


Friday night, some people from Texas visit CH (probably for the Warriors vs Spurs game 1 Sunday Afternoon). They spent money on stage shows and probably bought 4 lap dances/private shows that night. Outside the CH, group leader said "the lady got the best of me" for bringing too much cash to the strip club and selling him too much fluff with no substance. He's pressured to give her a $200 tip. To add insult to injury, the same lady stand in the lobby laughing at the fool when his group probably finding another strip club.







tophat Turbotax
Since: Mar-2017
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When I first started out at CH, I got played by Jasmin. Paid $100 for a PS, 5 minutes in she convinced me I needed to pay another $100 to continue the show. I didn't know any better back then, but I should have left and cut my losses at that point. I ended up paying the $200 and got coarsed to pay another $20 tip for an unsatisfying experience.


Now I lose all interest in any CH/MBOT dancer who tries to upsell, even if they are eventually willing to cut down to the reasonable price. Dancer tries to charge me $400 for a service that I should be getting for only $200, I will just say no thanks I am no longer in the mood.


BTW, is it conventional to refuse to tip after a $140 PS at CH? I'm sure they get decently compensated despite the house cut.







tophat Gonzallo
Since: Jan-2016
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Friday night, some people from Texas visit CH (probably for the Warriors vs Spurs game 1 Sunday Afternoon). They spent money on stage shows and probably bought 4 lap dances/private shows that night. Outside the CH, group leader said "the lady got the best of me" for bringing too much cash to the strip club and selling him too much fluff with no substance. He's pressured to give her a $200 tip. To add insult to injury, the same lady stand in the lobby laughing at the fool when his group probably finding another strip club.

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I have a bit of a love/hate with CH... the experiences can be really nice, but often, you have to be a regular there to take advantage.  The "outside the CH" thing -- I can't tell you how many stories like this I have... step outside the door, and there's a group of guys complaining of either getting ripped off or the quality of the girls.  I dunno why this only happens at CH... maybe with the north beach clubs, guys leave and then just walk down the street to the next club . But with CH, there's no where else to go, and you kind of have to gird your loins to take the trip through the neighborhood back to the car, so the group just naturally stalls right outside the door to CH, and that's where the bitch session happens. 







tophat Gonzallo
Since: Jan-2016
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When I first started out at CH, I got played by Jasmin. Paid $100 for a PS, 5 minutes in she convinced me I needed to pay another $100 to continue the show. I didn't know any better back then, but I should have left and cut my losses at that point. I ended up paying the $200 and got coarsed to pay another $20 tip for an unsatisfying experience.


Now I lose all interest in any CH/MBOT dancer who tries to upsell, even if they are eventually willing to cut down to the reasonable price. Dancer tries to charge me $400 for a service that I should be getting for only $200, I will just say no thanks I am no longer in the mood.


BTW, is it conventional to refuse to tip after a $140 PS at CH? I'm sure they get decently compensated despite the house cut.

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I have to admit, I'll never understand the Jasmine thing.  I just can't imagine going to the strip club, at all these young women, and thinking, "THAT thing over there is what I want -- tranny-looking out-of-proportion hustle-factor-breaks-the-scale" girl.  But apparently whatever she has, it works, she fleeces a LOT of guys.


Turbo, I think you learned the right lesson there ... that high level of upsell is a bad sign, just move on.  And even if you make a mistake -- there's no reason to be intimidated by a 22 year old girl in her underwear (ok, it's CH, so she might be a bit older, but still) ... no one should ever get intimidated into tipping.  I do occasionally tip for extraordinary service, but other than that, I smile, look them in the eye, "Sorry, I show my appreciation by doing more dances".


Anyway, back to my Jasmine rant -- I understand that she brings in a lot of cash, but I've always gone by the notion that it's more expensive to get that customer to walk in the door for the first time, than it is to keep them.  With Jasmine specializing in fleecing first-timers, how many newbies to CH do you think she's left with a horrible experience and horrible impression of the place?  I wonder how many times guys have gone in hoping to have a nice time and thinking this would be a place they come back to, get fleeced by Jasmine, and now they're part of a group standing right outside the doors complaining and vowing never to return?  Really seems soooo shortsighted to keep her on, it's not like CH management doesn't know EXACTLY what she's doing and how she does it.  They don't care, they're fine with her tactics and ripping customers off







tophat jasoncorvinus
Since: Nov-2015
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The girls can smell horny, desperate, beta male pheromones a mile away. Once they smell it and you confirm that's the case you will be fleeced. So to properly establish the relationship don't be desperate. Start with $40 dance to establish some kind of rapport and then move from there. If you walk in and then go to VIP booth right away you have lost the game because there is nowhere to go but upsell. There was a $5 mug in the auction and you came in and bid $20 right out of the gate so a good auctioneer will ask for even more.







tophat Gonzallo
Since: Jan-2016
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Jason, totally agree the girls can smell weakness.  That said, I think there's more to it that's worth talking about.  Strippers are far better at sales, and at understanding their customers, than we give them credit for; some are amazingly talented, instinctual sellers.  When they smell weakness, some of them up their level of pressure, and it often works.  When I say weakness, if you're too scared to tell a dancer "no thanks", and instead use a passive-aggressive "maybe later", it is absolutely the case that the girls know you're somewhat intimidated already.  Many of the passive aggressive tactics customer use are instant tip-offs: I'm weak, take advantage of me, I'll cave to avoid confrontation, I am so afraid to say no that I'll make up lies so feel free to engage me in a "why not" 20-questions session to try to intimidate me into it. 


Here's a true CH story that's played out for me over and over.  There was a confident dancer years ago named ... Brooklyn, maybe?  She did an okay lap dance for me, not one that inspired me to tip her.  She looked me in the eye and said sweetly "do you have a tip for me?"  I looked her in the eye, smiled, and said sweetly, "I don't tip, I do more dances to show my appreciation, I'll let you know."  I held her gaze, she looked down for a second (not making that up), then almost stuttered "oh ok" and smiled.  Confident but sweet and respectful is all it takes.  No thanks, I don't want a dance (no more explanation than that, ever).  No, I don't tip.  Eye contact and smile.  It has really improved how much I enjoy even higher-hustle strip clubs, now that I'm not intimidated by the girls in underwear ... and I swear, they can pick up on it right away, in many cases, and are a bit less likely to try to strong-arm me into tipping or anything else.  It makes a difference.


In the alcohol-serving clubs, I ALWAYS go straight to the VIPs, never do $20 try-outs or anything.  I've gotten asked for a tip once in the last 3 years (I said no) and never been hit with the kind of massive upsell people are describing.  Part of that is because CH's girls are particularly aggressive, part is because most girls know I'm a regular (strippers are far less aggressive with known regulars), and I'm convinced at least part is confident un-intimidated demeanor, I think it's made a difference (or maybe I"m getting just as much hustle but just don't care anymore).   That first "I don't tip" set me free.









tophat Elvis P
Since: Jan-2016
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Fron my experience, the dancers most likely to rip customers off (or provide an extremely vapid experience at best), are the tall, pretty-faced, big-boned, statuesque trophy girl types, or sometines the slightly chubby girls with ample T&A (e.g. CH Alanna, the thick curvy Latina from several years ago). Whenever I saw someone who fit those physical descriptions (especially the 1st description), my ROB radar went off the charts.







tophat wellwell17
Since: Jan-2016
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Regarding Jasmine, I'm curious if she has any regulars. I tried to get a dance from her one time out of curiosity. She said she only did PSs. I said nevermind and that was all. I've seen her up to so many guys, grab their arms, and try to pull them to the back. I can't imagine that earns her any repeat customers.







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tophat shadowworlds
Since: Jan-2015
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You could write a book on the girls and scams there LOL







tophat Gonzallo
Since: Jan-2016
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Regarding Jasmine, I'm curious if she has any regulars. I tried to get a dance from her one time out of curiosity. She said she only did PSs. I said nevermind and that was all. I've seen her up to so many guys, grab their arms, and try to pull them to the back. I can't imagine that earns her any repeat customers.

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As far as I know, she has few or no regulars.  Her hustle is pretty clear: super high-pressure high-promise sales, preferably as soon as the guys walk in and are still a bit discombobulated, then rip them off in the back and move on to the next.  This is not a business model that generates regulars.  It IS a business model that leaves customers with a bad taste in their mouth about CH and their experience there, but if CH management doesn't care, I suppose neither should we.  This is a hustle style that is not totally uncommon in the strip club world, but is one you don't find as often in more service-oriented clubs; you find it in the divey, rip-offy clubs.  As I said, the thing that keeps me from totally sympathizing with the customers she's ripping off is, she's a huge, tranny-looking, overproduced and over-enhanced mess: you walk into a strip club and think "that thing is what I'm here for, and sure, I'll just let her drag me by the arm into the booths", and maybe it's strip club darwinism :)







tophat Roland
Since: Jan-2016
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 she's a huge, tranny-looking, overproduced and over-enhanced mess: you walk into a strip club and think "that thing is what I'm here for, and sure, I'll just let her drag me by the arm into the booths", and maybe it's strip club darwinism :)

---You sure you don't have any personal experience with her to have developed such a hardened view? 







tophat Gonzallo
Since: Jan-2016
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 she's a huge, tranny-looking, overproduced and over-enhanced mess: you walk into a strip club and think "that thing is what I'm here for, and sure, I'll just let her drag me by the arm into the booths", and maybe it's strip club darwinism :)

---You sure you don't have any personal experience with her to have developed such a hardened view? 

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You think I"m projecting? :)   No, the entirety of my experience with her is turning her down a few times, and now she recognizes me and doesn't approach.  But she has ripped off one of my buddies, and I have seen years and years of Jasmine rip-off and/or ultra-high-pressure selling, and have also for years seen the looks on guys faces when they get out of the VIP room with her, I've overhead any number of guys ranting about having just gotten ripped off by her.  It's very rare I'm disrespectful towards specific girls, but she's earned it.  And, I am honestly perplexed by what is so attractive about her, but that's of course subjective.







tophat Turbotax
Since: Mar-2017
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She looked better 2 years ago when I saw her the first time than she does today. She added even more enhancements since then. The rob signs you described were clear, I just didn't know any better back then. I certainly learned my lesson!


As for CH management not doing anything, I'm wondering is it because they risk getting into legal issues for firing dancers for controversial reasons? I know they fired Roxie for retaliating against a patron who fingered her on stage, but they could make the case that Roxie violated the 'no violence' policy which is clear-cut and not in the grey area.







tophat Roland
Since: Jan-2016
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I was pretty much just jerking your chain. My opinion of and experience with her has been virtually identical to your's. 


I do have to say, however, that she has always been impressively polite and respectful whenever I summarily refused her approach. Appreciated. 







tophat lurkingtroll
Since: Jan-2017
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stripclub scene is a joke now... the strippers aren't meant for their craft anymore. the game has change, quick fix since majority of them are stripper/escort?? 99.9% percent want the big bucks by upselling because they want your $$, but forget they get tax a lot (I think). anyways a scheme is a scheme and they will bat their eye and try to convince you why PS is worth it. If you receive the service you like and no complains at all you will feel like a winner, but if you felt rip off or got played, then shit will hit the fan lol. anyways avoid stripclub in general, but if you still love those venues, don't go plastic! Wish they started uprooting cafes in sf, if you know what I mean ^^.







tophat Elvis P
Since: Jan-2016
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"majority of them are stripper/escort??"


Some of them are stripper/real estate agent/nurse/etc...







tophat Gonzallo
Since: Jan-2016
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stripclub scene is a joke now... the strippers aren't meant for their craft anymore. the game has change, quick fix since majority of them are stripper/escort?? 99.9% percent want the big bucks by upselling because they want your $$, but forget they get tax a lot (I think). anyways a scheme is a scheme and they will bat their eye and try to convince you why PS is worth it.

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lt, I can't quite tell what you're point is ... are you decrying the fact that so many strippers offer extras (as "stripper/escorts"?) and thus aren't great as strippers anymore?  The only place that might remotely be true is the extras clubs.  At the bigger clubs that serve alcohol, there's very few extras going on, and the strippers have to make their money the old fashioned way -- by seducing you (or strong-arming you, for the guys who don't learn and live my Don't Be a Little Bitch advice) into a dance.  There, I've solved your problem if you're after stripper-classic :)  And then, if you want to have sex with them, you get to try to arrange to see them outside the club, and as you know, I feel as if strippers are the caviar of sex providers and OTC sex is the single best experience in the sex industry.  Win-win!







tophat flashdrive
Since: Sep-2016
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(e.g. CH Alanna, the thick curvy Latina from several years ago)

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Oh...Alanna. When she first showed up she looked like a young fitness model. Super tight bod with nice muscle definition. Then she morphed into a 25 lbs overweight situation and it is amazing how her hotness was destroyed.







tophat Elvis P
Since: Jan-2016
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(e.g. CH Alanna, the thick curvy Latina from several years ago)

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Oh...Alanna. When she first showed up she looked like a young fitness model. Super tight bod with nice muscle definition. Then she morphed into a 25 lbs overweight situation and it is amazing how her hotness was destroyed.

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Alanna, fitness model? She's always been on the heavy side when I've seen her. She looked like that on the old CH website as well. Last I've seen her name mentioned, she was working the Pink Poodle, but that was years ago. She's probably retired and in the real estate or medical field by now.







tophat Wren
Since: Jul-2015
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Just returned from a mostly lackluster trip from CH. Two dancers during day shift I've always enjoyed kept it from being a complete disappointment. I will sing the praises of Mimi as one of the most pleasant girls to spend time with at CH. The other I will decline to name as I had a hard enough today waiting in her queue.  It's kind of funny because she said yesterday she saw so few patrons she made hardly any money at all.


But on to the topic at hand, my feeling was that all of night shift collectively figured a featured dancer night draws enough of a crowd with enough business for them to cut some corners.  Of both PS and LD I went for today, all consistently rushed and cut short their shows. On girl who ostensibly enjoyed dancing for me because "I treated her nicer than others" deliberately ended the meter on the PS booth quickly but discreetly turning it red-occupied to green-vacant. It took me a moment to process her action before I realized she'd ended the dance early.  F me for being a nice guy. 


Maybe it was bad judgement on my part, trying out new dancers today I have no previous experience with.  But I didn't expect nearly ALL of them to care so little about making good first impressions. The silver lining, I guess, is that I DO now know who isn't worth it.







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tophat LongTimeAgo
Since: Oct-2016
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I got a couple questions as I only frequent CH twice a year but do recognize quite a few of the regular girls.


Is Jasmine the asian girl with big lips and an obviously fake butt that never goes on stage and just tries to hustle dances?


Also, was roxie the spunky tatted blonde white girl that put on hell of a show?  Thats a shame that they fired her 


My favorite is the brunette that does the two girl show with the blonde who wears the diamond butt plug.  I went earlier tonight but didnt see her, it was a shame but yuritran beltran was there and that was fun.  I also have a fun time turning down private dances lol. 







tophat Kendo
Since: Jan-2017
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wo dancers during day shift I've always enjoyed kept it from being a complete disappointment. I will sing the praises of Mimi as one of the most pleasant girls to spend time with at CH. The other I will decline to name as I had a hard enough today waiting in her queue.  It's kind of funny because she said yesterday she saw so few patrons she made hardly any money at all.



Now Mr Wren, I believe you and I have similar taste. Or maybe Mimi is such a sweetheart that everyone who spends time with her feels the same about her. As for your mystery girl, and I don't mean Mystery, not too many girls  who normally work days and also worked Thursday and ended up working Friday night. So by narrowing things down, I think I know who your unnamed gal is and I must say, sshhhhhh. Last time I went to see her I too waited an awful long time. I told her she was getting too popular and I needed to anonymously trash her on line just so she would have time to see me. Of course I wouldn't do that but hey, when you have a gem,you know, you get possessive. Glad you had a good time with two of my favs.








tophat flashdrive
Since: Sep-2016
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Alanna, fitness model? She's always been on the heavy side when I've seen her. She looked like that on the old CH website as well. Last I've seen her name mentioned, she was working the Pink Poodle, but that was years ago. She's probably retired and in the real estate or medical field by now.

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I know... she wound up heavy but I saw her as a rookie and she was buff.  She was never thin but she was solid and fairly muscular in a good way (nice abs and stuff). Then she lost it and descended into the version that you remember.







tophat Wren
Since: Jul-2015
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Also, was roxie the spunky tatted blonde white girl that put on hell of a show?  Thats a shame that they fired her 


My favorite is the brunette that does the two girl show with the blonde who wears the diamond butt plug.  I went earlier tonight but didnt see her, it was a shame but yuritran beltran was there and that was fun.  I also have a fun time turning down private dances lol. 

Roxie certainly did put on a hell of a show, but I don't recall her ever having tats.  And she is ginger more often than blonde.  Look her up on social media as Roxie Kitten.  She had a blink & you'll miss it part in episode 3 of "13 reasons why". (When Hannah's mother breaks down in tears in the school bathroom.)  Roxie's delightful energy will be missed. But she is moving on and that isn't a bad thing.


The blonde with the butt plug is no doubt Kalifornia.  But who is the brunette?


@ Mr. Kendo ;-)




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tophat Gonzallo
Since: Jan-2016
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Just returned from a mostly lackluster trip from CH.

But on to the topic at hand, my feeling was that all of night shift collectively figured a featured dancer night draws enough of a crowd with enough business for them to cut some corners.  Of both PS and LD I went for today, all consistently rushed and cut short their shows. On girl who ostensibly enjoyed dancing for me because "I treated her nicer than others" deliberately ended the meter on the PS booth quickly but discreetly turning it red-occupied to green-vacant. It took me a moment to process her action before I realized she'd ended the dance early.  F me for being a nice guy. 


Maybe it was bad judgement on my part, trying out new dancers today I have no previous experience with.  But I didn't expect nearly ALL of them to care so little about making good first impressions. The silver lining, I guess, is that I DO now know who isn't worth it.

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I'll never really understand the mindset at strip clubs -- it's endemic in both the thinking of managers and the worst-of-the-worst strippers -- that any time you CAN rip off the customer, you should.  LIterally, another 30 seconds until the end of the song can make the difference between me getting more dances (if not outright becoming a regular), or instantly firing that stripper and complaining about her on the interwebs.  Most of the girls at least have a strategy where they tend to rip off transient customers more than regulars, since regulars have that potential of repeat income; for example, the girls know PLs HATE when they ask for tips, so many girls have an M.O. of "I ask for tips from one-time guys, but not regulars". 


Do any of you guys remember ... what's her name, maybe Misa?  Incredibly hot Asian girl, and she gave a pretty hot lapdance.  But PL after PL -- including me -- reported her cutting off songs.  She could have ended up with a huge cadre of regulars, and instead had lots of turnover.  Really, 45 seconds would have made all the difference.  I just don't understand the poor judgement and complete lack of respect for her customers that leads to this ... I always guess it's low self-esteem, that leads her to feeling good about herself when she can get one over on someone.