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tophat rmyc23
Since: Aug '14 Vip  
pushpin 6 - 21 Reviews


This may be an outrageous idea especially for the hobbyist members of Nightshift. But I have been thinking about how NS could become a better and safer place for both hobbyists and providers, albeit no place in this hobby is ever safe. I do, however, think NS is a much better place for both sides than Backpage for instance. I seldom post in the forums, but read the few interesting ones regularly. My impression, and my experience with most of the providers I met through NS, is that by and large the majority of hobbyists are decent men, and the majority of providers are decent women. And we should try to make that the case as much as possible.

With this in mind, I wonder why there is no facility for providers to do simple rating/review on hobbyists. Reviews from both sides are quite common in our new economy - Uber drivers get to rate their passengers, owners on sites like HomeAway get to rate their guests, etc. After all, the main revenue for the site, if I’m not mistaken, comes from the providers who post. Hobbyists only contribute if you become a paying VIP member. So shouldn’t they have a way to help one another out by highlighting good and bad clients? Unlike the hobbyist reviews, provider reviews could be much simpler, with focus on just important criteria such as hygiene, communications, commitment to appointments, etc. They could be summarized in the same 5-star system and tagged under the hobbyist’s profile.

I would think the majority of hobbyists (who are the decent men I mentioned) should welcome this, as the rating will help the good clients and highlight the bad ones. Who knows, it may even help to improve the general attitude and manners of the less gentlemanly clients among us - I could be a bit naive here, but one can always be positive.

I am not sure about the technicalities and how complicated it is to set this up, maybe someone from NS could comment? And I wonder how the ladies and gentlemen of this community think about this. I am prepared for the slings and arrows that may come my way, but my intentions are totally benevolent.








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tophat Vladi
Since: Sep '17
pushpin 186 - 2 Reviews


Pretty sure ladies have 411 threads on their private sections.


There is reason why this information is provider only.







tophat rmyc23
Since: Aug '14 Vip  
pushpin 6 - 21 Reviews


I think 411 works quite differently. Just like for the men, 411 inquiries are usually made on someone you have not met before. Hence I could understand why the ladies would like to keep them private to avoid offending a potential client. But reviews are post-encounter. So if the encounter is terrible and a low rating is given, I would think the provider would not mind offending the hobbyist, as she would likely not want to see him again. Obviously there is always the fear of retribution. But you read often about crazy clients who make up new profiles just to badger and harass women anyway. And reviews are completely voluntary, so if there is any fear or concern, even if a lady has been treated badly, she doesn’t have to say anything. Just like what has been happening with sexual harassment in our country for a long time. And in the case of a great encounter and a good review is given, then it will help the providers who may be meeting the same client. And it will certainly enhance the trust and relationship between the reviewer and the reviewer. It’s really no different from the way we use reviews on providers. Some of us care very much about reviews, and some don’t. I would argue that the better ones on both sides do. 







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tophat EmperorJNorton
Since: Apr '17
pushpin 1010 - 8 Reviews


There are already a few provider only areas on this site where this happens.  One is for safety the other general client gossip.







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rose Rubywoo
Since: May '16
pushpin 165 - 86 Reviews


agree completely. threads are not the same as a formal review system like us providers have.


i feel so strongly about this that i "review" hobbyists in their review of me-its the best i can do right now.  i verify the review and add a few words like "cool guy, would see again" or "not recommended". that way if a provider is checking a guy out the at least get a bit of info.


we providers are reviewed on everything from face to body to hygiene... being able to do so for hobbyists would be a HUGE help, and i believe would lead to better matches and more successful dates. it might also lead to guys making a point to be clean for us, if they know theyll get reviewed on it.


for example, maybe i date a guy and say hes fine and safe, which he is, but hes a larger gentleman.  or hes very well endowed. or he loves to talk dirty. i know of providers who prefer not to see gentlemen in each of those categories. so they show up, and do the date bc theres no resson not to technically, but theyre notcomfortable and it shows. client isnt happy and,leaves a neg review, girl ends up with a bad review-its bad all around. but if she had that info to start with, that wouldnt happen. and no, it wouldnt be harder for hobbyists to find a match, bc there is someone for everyone and there will always be providers who are fine if youre large/well endowed/like to talk dirty.


make it aI premium function, i dont care.. just give us the option please.


just my 2cents :)







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tophat Nealanblome69247
Since: Jan '16
pushpin 749 - 10 Reviews


A quick and dirty search revealed a multitude of threads on this topic, but not the one I was searching for.  We have gone over this extensively over in the central valley forums. The consensus was that there are several ways for the ladies to review the guys on their side of the site. From pure girly gossip to the DNS list. The main problem, however, is there is no chance for rebuttal or cross examination for the guys.  We review a gal, and it is open for everyone here and she gets a chance to agree or disagree in public.  A guy could go potentially forever on here and never know he had been black balled, While he sits around getting blue balls wondering why no providers will see him.  So until the guys get to see the bad shit said about them in an open forum, we won't be a fan of the review system.  And just like the ladies have lapdogs and detractors, the guys have lap kitties. So the review system is never going to be fair either way.  







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tophat EmperorJNorton
Since: Apr '17
pushpin 1010 - 8 Reviews


If there were such a forum it’d be a useful screening tool. It would show who doesn’t understand/practice discretion. 







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rose Rubywoo
Since: May '16
pushpin 165 - 86 Reviews


A quick and dirty search revealed a multitude of threads on this topic, but not the one I was searching for.  We have gone over this extensively over in the central valley forums. The consensus was that there are several ways for the ladies to review the guys on their side of the site. From pure girly gossip to the DNS list. The main problem, however, is there is no chance for rebuttal or cross examination for the guys.  We review a gal, and it is open for everyone here and she gets a chance to agree or disagree in public.  A guy could go potentially forever on here and never know he had been black balled, While he sits around getting blue balls wondering why no providers will see him.  So until the guys get to see the bad shit said about them in an open forum, we won't be a fan of the review system.  And just like the ladies have lapdogs and detractors, the guys have lap kitties. So the review system is never going to be fair either way.  

 im fine with a review system guys can see-i envision it basicall just like ours-the ability to state what was done, review appearance and attitude-everything. and it would be publicly viewable like ours and the guy would be able to respond like we do-same exact thing.


i-t would just be sooo helpful to look up JC Perfectpenis and check out what the last 5 girls who saw him say. is,he on time, is he clean, is he friendly, is he reallybig and difficult for smaller girls to take. then he can reply (just once, same as us) and either confirm or deny that his willy is too much to handle or that he had an attitude or not.


i cant believe more people dont see the usefulness of this.







tophat rmyc23
Since: Aug '14 Vip  
pushpin 6 - 21 Reviews


Ruby, that’s exactly what I’m suggesting - a mirror review system as the one in place for the ladies. The review could be put under the profile of the hobbyist for all to see, and for the hobbyist to respond if necessary. And the same notification process could be set up like the ladies review system, so the reviewee would know that he has a new review. This would definitely be better than the current behind the scene ladies private forum, the downside of which was as described by Nealanblome69247.

I am also a little surprised that there is not more response from the ladies. Perhaps we prefer to stick with more important topics like whether Frisco is a demeaning name for San Francisco:)








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tophat Zep
Since: Feb '15 Vip  
pushpin 2124 - Qr 27 Reviews


Whenever a guy leaves a review, the lady has the opportunity to "review" the gent when she responds to her review.  Some ladies do an excellent job of saying that the guy was fun, clean, safe and a gentleman.  I think this process, if used by the ladies suffices for a hobbyist review.  So I guess what I'm saying, is that the hobbyist review system already exists.  Just ask the providers you see to review you after she get's her review.  I think this is the best way for new ladies to check up and screen a hobbyist.  Go read his reviews and see what the ladies have to say. I don't really think we need another system. 


Keep in mind, Hobbyists are not getting paid. They should never be reviewed like a provider who is receiving $$ for her time and has advertised a certain product.  Real providers just want to know is the hobbyist legit, safe, clean and a gentleman, that can be posted at the end of the provider's review. 







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tophat PnkPrlHntr
Since: Jun '17 Vip  
pushpin 1663 - 9 Reviews


While this sounds good for some hobbyists that have good manners and treat the providers we see with respect, there are to many hobbyists against it that will never go for it because they don't want the word out in the public forums on their bad manners and disrespectful attitudes. It's a double standard for most hobbyists.


I'll put it out there. I have nothing to hide


Are there any providers I've seen ready to toftt and review me









tophat rmyc23
Since: Aug '14 Vip  
pushpin 6 - 21 Reviews


The problem is the ladies can’t respond unless they have a review. So our review system doesn’t work the same way for them. I see often ladies complaining about some chronic flakes, and they can only do it in the forum, and their complaints get buried quickly as new topics take over the forum space. Just like Neighborhood Watch. Reviews, good or bad, stay with the reviewee and would be easy to check.

I don’t really understand the logic behind the point that someone who is not getting paid should never be reviewed. As I mentioned in my first post, nowadays many paying customers get reviewed, my examples are Uber and HomeAway. In those cases most customers actually do not mind being reviewed. A Uber driver, when he or she has a choice, would certainly pick a customer with good reviews over another with not so good reviews. It works the same way here for providers when they have a choice.







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tophat Nealanblome69247
Since: Jan '16
pushpin 749 - 10 Reviews


The reviews on both sides of the condom, as it were, should be more in line with a dope card than as a static point. Once there are a consistent number of points plotted should one be considered a well reviewed person. Because anyone can have a bad day and disappear from their previously well regarded position and show up as an outlier with a bad review.  For example, I had a horrible session with a lovely young lady. She tried to be gracious and accommodating and I was understanding. But about 5 pumps in, we both knew this wasn't happening that day. We both agreed to stop and give it another go at a later date. Maybe. I chose not to review her, because I saw no point in writing an honest yet negative review and potentially damaging her reputation.  But other guys don't give a shit and write it anyway.  Review me. Tell everyone my pinky toe is bigger than my dick, and I have a lazy eye. I think for most of us with a select few in our harem the reviews only serve the newbies. Because quite frankly, when I was more active in the forums, that served as the review on me. I didn't need to provide references to more than a few ladies because they same me participating.







tophat PeterPeter
Since: Sep '14
pushpin 1003 - Qr 64 Reviews


Reviews exist because the guys shop for the gals, not the other way around.  If you want to shop for guys, I recommend a male escort site perhaps.  Us guys are not putting ourselves out there and GETTING PAID to deal with the public humiliation of being reviewed.  I know a lot of ladies who don’t even like the awesome reviews they get because seeing the salacious details of their sexual prowess described is embarrassing even when it makes a good penthouse story.  But they put up with it because they are getting paid to be treated like a product and they market themselves as a product they want guys to buy.


It sounds like you would love to make money having sex only with handsome guys with small penises (what girl wouldn’t?).  And certainly a review system for johns would help you achieve that goal, but solving that problem for you is not really one of the purposes of this site.


as somebody who is well endowed, I feel your pain.  I have been to ladies who simply could not handle my size comfortable, or at all.  It is a huge mood spoiler, but I don’t give a bad review over it, though I may just opt to not review at all.  If it is a known concern of yours, why don’t you just say no well endowed guys, I have seen a few ladies say this and I don’t call them.  If you put “handsome guys only” in your ad, then you might find it a bit hard filling your docket.


And as I mentioned the last time this came up, there are ladies I don’t review because I don’t want anybody/somebody else to know that I saw them.  I’m not afraid of anything either, I have an excellent reputation, but I value my privacy to share what I care to share.  The ladies opt-in to being reviewed the moment they advertise them self.  I would be fine if ladies could opt out of all reviews, doubt any would do that, reviews are hugely positive for the ladies and they offer discounts to get them sometimes.







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tophat Zep
Since: Feb '15 Vip  
pushpin 2124 - Qr 27 Reviews


Well, good luck on getting this started.  I for one would be very hesitant to ever see a provider who left hobbyist reviews that states anything besides that hobbyists are or are not safe, polite, clean and generous.  My anonymity is too valued to be reviewed in a public forums. Ex (loved his house in Pike street in Roseville, he took me home in his red Corvette. I loved his heavy beard.  He was such a gentleman when he let me use his leather jacket he said he got in Australia as he took me home) - nothing damming, but enough to reveal an identity....   Uber / homeAway show ratings to other Uber drivers, other renters,  not to the general public.  That can be done amongst providers now in their provider only forums. 







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tophat EmperorJNorton
Since: Apr '17
pushpin 1010 - 8 Reviews


Well, good luck on getting this started.  I for one would be very hesitant to ever see a provider who left hobbyist reviews that states anything besides that hobbyists are or are not safe, polite, clean and generous.  My anonymity is too valued to be reviewed in a public forums. Ex (loved his house in Pike street in Roseville, he took me home in his red Corvette. I loved his heavy beard.  He was such a gentleman when he let me use his leather jacket he said he got in Australia as he took me home) - nothing damming, but enough to reveal an identity....   Uber / homeAway show ratings to other Uber drivers, other renters,  not to the general public.  That can be done amongst providers now in their provider only forums. 

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Hence my quote re: discretion.  It'd be an easy way to filter out who NOT to see.







tophat Kevin_Karma
Since: Jul '17 Vip  
pushpin 261 - Qr 36 Reviews


All providers have access to a  special "do not see DNS" link in their account on risky hobbyists that have been seen by other providers and something written about them.







tophat newtimes
Since: Sep '17
pushpin 161


It's funny. We all go full steam ahead even though prostitution is illegal in most states!!! And a cab driver evaluating a customer? Are you kidding me? Both are cheats and have to be regulated. I talked to that fat pig of a cop in the San Francisco Police Department on Bryant who was captain of the taxi cab division and he said, "We don't cut them any slack." How did I get to talk to him? I was a janitor there and I was emptying the trash in his department. He told me that he would pay extra if I did a good job which sent up a red flag. Then he said that "...I remember the pretty ones." in response to some conversation we had. After that I waited until he left before I went into his area. Cabs are regulated and they are legal. Prostitution is not. Night Shift isn't going to regulate who pays to have ads here. You get some person who is addicted to crack or heroin or cannot make rent and she is going to rip you off. When it is legalized like in Nevada all the prostitutes have to stay on the grounds or they will be cited. They call it "pussy prison". I should write politicians. The last politicain to mention the legalization of prostitution was Terence Hallinan. It's funny but when I was born in 1954 he was made a ward of the court. I was made a ward of the court. I was truant all the time and Hallinan was punching people's lights out over minor squabbles. I was never violent. My review? "He's a bit overweight. He dresses like a biker and has no sense of style. He pays well and tips even better. He picks only the cream of the crop and spends long moments searching for the girl in Night Shift who he is blown away by. Not just any girl will do. Not just any girl he wants will do him."







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rose NarissaCupcakes
Since: Sep '14
pushpin 598 - 134 Reviews


Yelp doesn't review the customers. He's either safe or not, time waster or not.  



The ladies have areas to post the not safe, the assholes. 







tophat FloydThursby
Since: Sep '15
pushpin 76 - 7 Reviews


What if some hacker or cop exposes all of our phone numbers and people know who we are?







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tophat Nealanblome69247
Since: Jan '16
pushpin 749 - 10 Reviews


What if some hacker or cop exposes all of our phone numbers and people know who we are?

---More power to them. We are smart hookers and johns. Burner phone burner email. All never connected to a real id.







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tophat EmperorJNorton
Since: Apr '17
pushpin 1010 - 8 Reviews


Yelp doesn't review the customers. He's either safe or not, time waster or not.  



The ladies have areas to post the not safe, the assholes. 

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That they do.  


I'm just less than thrilled when I (erroneously) see the gab about clients part.







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tophat pohaku
Since: Nov '14
pushpin 691


I have been seeing this type of thread so many times.

at least a dozen times in RB and also at least few times in every escort site that has forums.


Talking openly about clients can cause issues for providers. Some who get lower score will react and cause problem for providers. Unfortunately many clients don't even view sex workers as people like themselves..regardless of what they write in forums, so many men still think providers are different lower disposable class of humans. Some clients react with threat of violence very quickly or even worse to sex workers' direct critical comments.


Our immature machismo still can't take " being laughed at by a whore".  One ahole can completely ruin and destroy everything in provider's life or at least make it incredibly difficult sometimes by taking advantage of " illegality" of transaction. We have seen this happen again and again. So for now, we will know nothing about providers communication about clients' behavior and it is a good thing.









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tophat Bande
Since: Mar '15
pushpin 844 - 4 Reviews


This may be an outrageous idea especially for the hobbyist members of Nightshift. But I have been thinking about how NS could become a better and safer place for both hobbyists and providers, albeit no place in this hobby is ever safe. I do, however, think NS is a much better place for both sides than Backpage for instance. I seldom post in the forums, but read the few interesting ones regularly. My impression, and my experience with most of the providers I met through NS, is that by and large the majority of hobbyists are decent men, and the majority of providers are decent women. And we should try to make that the case as much as possible.

With this in mind, I wonder why there is no facility for providers to do simple rating/review on hobbyists. Reviews from both sides are quite common in our new economy - Uber drivers get to rate their passengers, owners on sites like HomeAway get to rate their guests, etc. After all, the main revenue for the site, if I’m not mistaken, comes from the providers who post. Hobbyists only contribute if you become a paying VIP member. So shouldn’t they have a way to help one another out by highlighting good and bad clients? Unlike the hobbyist reviews, provider reviews could be much simpler, with focus on just important criteria such as hygiene, communications, commitment to appointments, etc. They could be summarized in the same 5-star system and tagged under the hobbyist’s profile.

I would think the majority of hobbyists (who are the decent men I mentioned) should welcome this, as the rating will help the good clients and highlight the bad ones. Who knows, it may even help to improve the general attitude and manners of the less gentlemanly clients among us - I could be a bit naive here, but one can always be positive.

I am not sure about the technicalities and how complicated it is to set this up, maybe someone from NS could comment? And I wonder how the ladies and gentlemen of this community think about this. I am prepared for the slings and arrows that may come my way, but my intentions are totally benevolent.


---A site from the past had a user rating system. I thought this was awesome.

https://web.archive.org/web/20130501150610/http://forum.myredbook.com/rating

Clik on a letter then a username to get a idea.