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tophat rooftop
Since: Jul '14
pushpin 601 - Qr 59 Reviews


https://www-bbc-co-uk.cdn.ampproject.org/c/s/www.bbc.co.uk/news/amp/magazine-41349301


Surprised me.  Unintended consequences.  New Zealand experience indicates there is no perfect solution.







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rose Camilla.marino
Since: Mar '17
pushpin 39 - 14 Reviews


I don't agree. While it's true that decriminalization won't solve all the problems that all sex workers face, it does make it much safer for SOME. When it's illegal, it's unsafe for ALL. Just because that particular woman had a negative experience doesn't mean that prostitution should remain illegal. An abolitionist approach is pointless and unrealistic 







tophat maturejames
Since: Apr '15
pushpin 8 - 4 Reviews


Prohibition rarely works; it just establishes an additional black/gray market. Decriminalization makes sense.


Deeper issues are changing societal perspectives on sex for money and trafficking.








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tophat MrRoboto
Since: May '17
pushpin 1425 - 11 Reviews


The people who are against decriminalization are the ones behind abolishing abortion and anti contraception.

They are motivated by their morals and want society to mirror this ideals.

Nothing is perfect but when makes something explicitly illegal it just makes it worse for everybody.  Case in point prohibition.







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tophat Valida
Since: Jul '14
pushpin 299 - 9 Reviews


Nothing is perfect but when makes something explicitly illegal it just makes it worse for everybody.  Case in point prohibition.

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Please think about what you are saying.  Case in point:  murder.  Do you really believe the principle you stated? 









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tophat MrRoboto
Since: May '17
pushpin 1425 - 11 Reviews


Nothing is perfect but when makes something explicitly illegal it just makes it worse for everybody.  Case in point prohibition.

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Please think about what you are saying.  Case in point:  murder.  Do you really believe the principle you stated? 



---Let me rephrase that you shouldn't try to legislate morality that does no harm to others.

Murder, theft, rape are crimes that impinge on others rights and should be illegal.


Crimes that target vices i.e. alcohol, drugs, prostitution etc. Should not be criminalized.  If society wants to target them there are better methods.

Taxation, outreach programs education etc. Would have a bigger impact.







tophat Beefy
Since: Dec '14
pushpin 1430 - 4 Reviews


Drugs, gambling, other high addiction activities create all sorts of crime as those that can't stop and can't afford to continue find ways to fund their habits.


This is the real reason many of these activities were made illegal in the first place not old school morality being pushed upon the masses.


Taxation is an imperfect model at best...make it too expensive and you promote a cheaper unregulated black market as surely as banning. Vice taxes have never been about limiting use or "harm reduction" but making sure the state gets their cut


Outreach? So stern church ladies in all black handing out flyers to the hookers? Education? Sex is bad m'kay?

None of these methods create the system you desire because they depend on a morality stance by government or a profit motive by government or likely both.



I do not believe the current model works either because there is numerous examples of it failing, from the various strolls to sites like the one we are on right now it is clear the rule of law hasn't and isn't going to stop it.


But a system where prostitution is illegal but selectively enforced allows for enforcement where action is needed, but when carried out in a reasonably safe manner should be allowed to proceed "watched" not "regulated" 


This may seem like an untendable system but consider state laws on pot it is illegal, the Feds can shut it down, but for now they are simply observing.







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tophat Megatron
Since: Aug '14
pushpin 2635 - 12 Reviews


Meh. Just some propaganda piece from the anti-prostitution zealots.


Almost nothing is perfect at first. So the new decriminalization model in New Zealand had some defects. The solution would be to fix the flaws in the system NOT turning back the clock and abolish it altogether.







tophat Beefy
Since: Dec '14
pushpin 1430 - 4 Reviews


It's another common story pretty girl in her teens endless money, hits mid 40's jaded and unable to compete in a new market calls for the system to be abolished.


It is never going away and enforcement and punishment only drive up danger and cost to all involved an unregulated free market solution where regulation is through enforcement of non prostitution laws I.E. trafficking of minors, kidnapping/coercion, theft, assault (sexual) etc. allows you to reasonably enforce standards across the board most of the time.







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tophat Asfandan
Since: Apr '16
pushpin 597 - 20 Reviews


The New Zealand model is one of the worst examples. It wasn't actually legalization, it just regulated the pimps and brothels, without giving control to the providers. Thet's the key for any successful legalization attempt; control MUST belong to the providers.


While every individual case is different, the majority of the problems with prostitution exist mainly just because it is illegal. There is nothing inherently wrong or dangerous about having sex, whether it is paid for or not. Almost all of the arguments against legalization are based on religious morality, rather than common sense. The same kid of morality that gave us Prohibition and The War on Drugs. And we know how well those have worked, don't we? As with booze and drugs, the 'criminal element' that surrounds the sex industry exists only because it is illegal. Pimps, health & sanitation issues, unlicensed massage parlors, protection rackets,, etc., all exist because selling sex is illegal. Make it legal and reasonably priced and most of that goes away. Just like Prohibition, if you can buy booze legally and for a fair price, who needs bootleggers and unlicensed speakeasy's?


Make prostitution legal, regulate it like any other personal services industry, require regular and frequent STD testing, and the vast majority of these problems go away. As an added benefit, you turn an underground industry into a legitimate one, so taxes get paid, there is less exploitation, fewer 16 & 17 year olds plying the trade, it's safe for both clients and customers and the police actually protect both of them. I'm not saying all of the sudden everything is roses, but for the vast majority it is a major improvement. Hell, just knowing you aren't going to be arrested because you make your living on your back has to be a major stress relief for a lot of providers.


However, there are some things that should remain illegal, with existing laws tightened and new laws created, if necessary. Under-age is an absolute no-no, even if voluntary (and yes, that happens). Some of you already know my stance on pimps, but if you don't, I believe pimps should be re-classified as slavers and pimping be charged as a capital crime of human trafficking, with 25 years the minimum sentence. If any of their victims die they should get the death penalty.